Recent Songwriters Circle Links Summary

A retrospective post throwing out some of the best resources and links which have been posted on the Songwriters Circle page recently, and topics which have provoked interesting discussion.

Music Business

Interview

  • Interview with singer-songwriter Emma O’Reilly in which she talks about her process of working at songwriting Well worth reading to the end.
  • LINK: Want to write? Interview with singer-songwriter Emma O’Reilly | A Younger Theatre Giving young people a voice on theatre and the arts. Get the latest news, reviews, articles, internships and theatre resources.
  • MV: Thank you, I’ll read the article later on today.. I’m always interested about any information or advice or opinion about songwriting… I love this Songwriters Circle yo guys created ! Thanks !!! ;)

News

  • Even people who write songs for others to sing can sometimes become really famous – The Scot who wrote Tina Turner’s comeback hit, What’s Love Got To Do With It, is to be honoured at the Grammys when What’s Love Got to Do With It? Is inducted into the Hall of Fame. – Of course having someone like the Beatles backing your songs might have helped……
  • LINK: Scots songwriter Graham Lyle set for Grammys honour with Tina Turner anthem ‘What’s Love Got To Do W…
  • THE Scot who wrote Tina Turner’s comeback hit, What’s Love Got To Do With It, is to be honoured at the Grammys – when the song is inducted into the awards’ hall of fame.

Songwriting

  • “I liked words that weren’t necessarily obvious when you heard them. There are so many records on the radio where you can hear it the first time and you can guess the next rhyme,” Best says. “Often, like with Bryan Adams or something, you knew that if he was walking down the street, he would look at his feet, and it was just like, ‘Ah, geez.’” – article gives a great insight into how he wrote 4 of his quirky songs
  • Fujiya & Miyagi on Writing Songs About Child Stars, Soccer Players, and Boredom
  • By his own admission, David Best isn’t all that great of a singer. As the voice of the Brighton,…

Project

  • Craig Finn set out to write a song everyday for 6 weeks for his new solo album. He says” I did for the most part. Probably 5-6 a week for six weeks. Some of these songs were really underdeveloped and sometimes not so great but the idea was to put something down on paper and then come back to them and try to improve them.” Could you?
  • LINK: Craig Finn: ‘You Learn A Lot Putting Yourself In New Situations’ | Features
  • Craig Finn tells us about his time away from The Hold Steady, and the creation of his debut solo album.
  • AM: I think this kind of discipline would improve my discipline but not my art :)
  • CS:  Yes I could but I’ve never sat down to deliberately write a song. My music is my life diary and when a song comes it is just there. Think looking at the industry there is to much forced song writing, dull, flavourless and no real meaning. It’s a $ production. Hope you found the right songs for your album. after all, they are yours xo
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Evolution of a Song

Important Steps In The Evolution of a Song

In this post I want to make a couple of important points about the evolution of a song, using the example of “Never Was To Be” by Daryl P Hall and Andy Roberts

The 30 day song challenge is all about putting the work in, getting ideas flowing, developing technique and prompting the generation of enough good song ideas from which to pick one or two to keep. But now I want to talk about what can happen to a song after the initial period when it may or may not have been considered “finished”.

Never Was To Be

A song by Andy Roberts and Daryl P Hall

The song developed from an online collaboration within the Songwriters Circle, which is not an unusual occurrence. Lyricists post their latest writings and musicians will offer to supply the music. Or maybe somebody will strum and hum a tune challenging anybody to come up with a set of lyrics to fit – perhaps less often.

Often when faced with somebody else’s verse in black on white I read it and fail to make sense of it as a structure. When I write my own lyrics, I always have a rudimentary tune in mind, to provide the scaffolding. Then I develop a better tune to fit the verses, maybe add a refrain and change the lyrics to fit the new tune. So my answer to the riddle ‘which comes first, the lyrics or the music’ is kind of both.

Anyway, this time the writing jumped out at me from the screen. I could immediately click with Daryl’s lyrics when posted in the group, with no title. Unlike many which are contributed, I could immediately ‘hear’ the rhythm of a song in this one.

March 2011 Never Was To Be – Podcast version

This video was recorded shortly after setting the lyrics to music.
The words needed to be adjusted a little to fit the tune and to scan consistently. I made a few small changes, and brought the chorus in after verse 2.

Its also a great topic for a song, one which has the potential to touch people’s hearts. And a story which demands attention

The tune is primitive, not terribly original, but pretty and fits the lyrics.

There’s another version on soundcloud from the earliest days which is similar to the video 1. Slightly creaky vocals on this song demo.

 

January 2012 - Never Was To Be – Live

Ten months later.

I needed to memorise the lyrics well enough for a public performance. This is an important step in itself. Memorising a new song these days involves playing it over and over, maybe 2 or 3 times a day for several days in a row. During this time, some of the words may be clipped or changed slightly.

On replaying Video One and the Soundcloud just now, I was a little surprised to realise just how much the tune has evolved. this is one of the main points of this blog post: Once the lyrics are polished, a tune is finalised and a demo recorded, that isn’t the end of the development of new song. It can carry on changing, improving, maturing, informed by the passing of time and the exposure to new audiences.

Daryl’s lyrics allowed me to get something over to the audience, and feel an immediate response, something which only happens with a few rare songs in just the right circumstances. Other songs may fall down at this point and be consigned to the back catalogue of songs once completed and learned that get forgotten again because they don’t bridge that gap for one reason or another.

So the other point is that in the end, it’s only after having  performed a song to a live audience that I can truly confirm that the song works.

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Underwater Songwriting

Public Post: Underwater Songwriting

Day  Six of the Songwriters Circle 30 day Challenge,  now open for February Registrations, was all about using a walking pace as a device for maintaining a steady rhythm while composing a new tune to the beat of the footsteps. It’s a technique I  evolved years ago, which resulted in Mondura Dam. I mentioned that I was intending to try out the same principle applied to swimming, with no idea whether it would work or not.  Well today was my day to visit the swimming pool and I gave it a good bash.

Normally I swim up and down, counting lengths. It’s hard enough not to lose count after a while, and most of the time I’m not thinking of anything else much except being there in water, in the moment, drilling back and fore and occasionally diverting to avoid other swimmers. Swimming has an invigorating effect for hours afterwards, but at the time it’s pure physical exercise with the mind relatively unstimulated, yet not bored either. More of a grounded, meditative state of sort of not thinking.

So today I had to stop the counting entirely, and see if I could think in words and  phrases.

It took a little while to tune in to the rhythm of my stroke, it’s obviously slower than walking, but also more complicated with regular breathing in short bursts followed by arm and leg movements that are not quite together, in my case. But once I could hear a tune it stuck with me for the whole hour or so. Unlike when walking, being unable to sing or speak out loud makes it harder to grasp hold of words, and in my mind that also means ideas, because for me, ideas are mostly bound up with language. That doesn’t mean I need to talk out loud when I read or write of course :-) but I usually do hum or sing to myself when playing around with a new tune or pattern for words to fit into, and it certainly makes it easier to commit to memory, which is a big concern.

After half an hour I had two couplets and a possible refrain, that’s all. And even those I was struggling to hang on to.  But the endorphins from exercise kicked in and I was feeling happy about it all. Underwater songwriting works! The rhythm stayed with me, and I think it will provide me with an original tune framework that’s going to be interesting to play. The sparse lines I had fought to think up helped me to fix the tune for long enough, so many have been lost otherwise.  I didn’t have the foresight to take my notebook or anything with me, so had to wait until I got home before I could jot anything down, and now I’ve made a brief audi memo to self, just in case I forget the tune.

I don’t know if I’ll progress the lyric idea, but I shall definitely develop the music. What I’ll need to do next though, is to go out to a cafe or somewhere by myself one day where’s there’s no guitar and no internet and see if I can write down the bulk of a whole song to fit the tune, then later work it out on the guitar as a complete whole, reworking the lyrics as necessary.

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January Introduction

Welcome to the Challenge – January 2012

This is an introduction video for the Songwriters Circle January Challenge which started on January 2nd 2011 and lasts for one month with a goal of writing at least one new song.

My name is Andy Roberts and I’d like to welcome you all, experienced songwriters and beginners alike, even if you have never written one song but would like to try then the Songwriters Circle is a great place to start and the the January Challenge is the perfect time to join.

All you need is a pen and paper and a computer or device with internet access.

The way the challenge will work is that there will be a daily lesson or task that should take no longer than about half an hour to work through or listen to. That all, just thirty minutes a day and then at the end of the process you will have a song to call your own that you are happy with, possibly after writing and discarding a few more half finished songs than that.

Happy New Year everybody!

Below is the link to the youTube video recorded for the introduction to the January Challenge back in 2011, it’s based on the old version of the site, but the general drift is still valid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiJbGbe2hwA

In just thirty days time a small group of people will have written and completed at least one song each – how amazing is that.

By the way I should also say that if you are reading this and it’s already half way through January or something like that, don’t worry it’s not too late. You could still catch up and complete the challenge by the end of the month if you just put in a little extra time each day. You could probably cover three or for days worth in just one hour every day until you are all up to date.

Postscript 9/1/2012:

The January Challenge is closed to new applicants now, but you can  - ENROLL NOW for the  March 2012 or later cohorts.

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Challenge12 is Open for Registrations – RSVP Now!

With just a few days to go before all the parties and stuff, I’m pleased to announce that the January 2012 Songwriters Circle Challenge is now open for enrolment!

Here’s the link you need to read all about it

http://songwriterscircle.co.uk/songwriterscirclejanuarychallenge2012

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